[Tour] Extreme Poker

[Thierry (Moonlight)]

Un classique que j'aime beaucoup mais dans ce genre d'exécutions, je me demande si l'hyper répétition de l'effet, qui fonctionne toujours sur la même astuce, n'est pas un peu gênante. Personnellement à chaque fois que je le fais, je sens bien qu'au bout de la troisième défaite du spectateur, ce dernier commence à se rendre compte qu'il y a un peu anguille sous roche et à entrevoir le truc. D'ailleurs, dans les nombreuses variantes inventées, la plupart des magiciens s'arrêtent à trois répétitions. Ici, six fois de suite, ça me paraît un peu risqué, non ?

Effectivement, au dessus de 3 cela peut etre tendu et à mon avis trop répétitif avec le meme spectateur. L'idée est plutot de dire un truc du genre "vous n'etes pas le meilleur joueur de la table, je vais jouer avec qqun d'autre" (texte à parfaire bien sur) et l'on passe à un spectateur qui est est à l'autre bout de la table. Cela permet d'éliminer la suspiscion du 1er spectateur et on en profite pour prendre 10 autres cartes de facon à changer l'apparence des combinaisons.

[Tony GOBRECHT]

Aronson, Simon: A Stack to Remember 1979 manuscript: Ten Card Poker Deal; the cards at the 29th to 38th of his stack allow to perform the Ten Card Poker Deal effect. & Bound To Please 1994; p. 122 Ten Card Poker Deal allows to hand the deck over to the spectator for dealing the cards himself but still being sure to win.

Ackerman, Alan: Ten Card Poker Deal: first phase is the classic with shuffling half way through, the second phase is dealt face up; the third phase is done with the flop face down but only one card is dealt face down and all the others are dealt face up.

Allerton, Bert: The Phoenix # 170 February 11th 1949 page 681 Ten Card Deal P.S. Bert Allerton suggests that once the two first cards have been dealt to announce that the game will be Stud Poker and to show the spectator the eight remaining cards leaving him a free choice of four of them. He also suggests to use the Biddle move to count the ten cards from the deck before giving them to the spectator for shuffling.

Anonymous : The Phoenix #168 January 14th 1949; p 672: Ten Card Deal

Bannon, John Dear Mr. Fantasy The Power of Poker: unlike some routines, this one only works once; you can't do multiple hands and win every time

Becker, Larry: Apocalypse, Vol. 11, # 11 November 1988 ; p. 1566 : Ten Card Poker Stand-up Presentation, offers a stage adaptation for the 10 Card Poker Deal using Jumbo Cards and a board with one side showing the rules and the other side a final prediction &Stunner's Plus 1992 p 115: Hypnotic is a parlor or stage really nice 10 card poker routine

Bernstein, Bruce: Bruce Berstein's "Lecture Compendium". Psych Out. This routine has been acclaimed by many top performers Max Maven, Rick Johnsson, Charles Cameron, Eugene Burger… (some of them having their own version of the routine) as the best one of the time both in method and presentation & Psych-Out (Marketed effect) 1985

Binarelli, Tony: My Way to Mentalism; Camirand Academy: 10 Card Poker Deal & Class Act - The Magic of Tony Binarelli by Gary Ouellet; The Cincinnati Kid Poker Deal & The Linking Ring # 3 March 2005 p. 111: Can’t Win for Losing

Buckley, Arthur H. Card Control second 1947 edition (the effect was not in the original 1946 edition) p. 103 The Ten Card Poker Deal.

Chelman, Christian. Lolapalooza Poker 1999. Underground livret offered to the subscribers of his book “Légendes urbaines” & Christian Chelman Séminaire DVD. Éd. Joker Deluxe A congame with cards where the sucker always thinks that he is going to win but always loses and insists in losing to his last cent. The routine is designed to entrap the ones who know the Jonah card principle. & Compendium Sortilegionis p. 230 Variation sur la Donne de 10 Cartes 2003. This variant results from a David Solomon’s idea but is different from his : no Jonah car dis used but a little smart and automatic con.

Clive, Paul: Card Tricks without Skill 1946: Tops Four Aces offers a principle which will be used and combined with another one by Lewis Ganson for his own routine

Colombini, Aldo: Tested Ten-Card Poker Deal 2006. For close-up or parlor. A variant on the most entertaining poker deal demonstration ever, using only ten cards. The routine using jumbo cards covers five phases (with an incredible final phase by Max Maven in which you predict the winning hands). Complete with the jumbo cards.

Curry, Paul. Paul Curry Presents. 1974 p. 28 Cider & Very Best Of Paul Curry 1986 French translation by Richard Vollmer Éd. Magix Unlimited p. 47 Le Pari & Paul Curry’s Worlds Beyond 2001 by Stephen Minch. p 59: Paul Curry uses two Jonah cards. Set : three 2, three 9 and three 10 with two indifferent cards placed in ninth and tenth position from the top of the deck.

Duffie, Peter: Deck Direct 1998 Free Will From a packet of eight cards, a spectator freely selects any four. These turn out to be random ones. The four he left you with are the four aces & Onyx [Ken Simmons' magazine]. In “Free Will” the magician and the spectator received only four cards each. It too used an extra card plus several spelling sequences. Peter cites his inspiration as Alex Elmsley’s “It’s a Small World”, which was first published in “The New Pentagram” in 1974. Then reprinted in “The Complete Works of Alex Elmsley”, Vol.2 (Minch, 1994). This used a very bold ‘behind the back’ ruse where the spectator chose five cards from a packet of ten face down cards. His turned out to be all red cards, leaving you with five black cards. Elmsley said that the plot related to Dr. Daley’s “Rouge et Noir” (Phoenix: No. 287, August 14th 1953, pages 1146 to 1149), and Hans Trixer’s “Noir et Rouge” (Abracadabra: Vol. 17, No. 419, February 6th 1954, pages 35 to 37), which were two of the earliest packet versions of Paul Curry’s “Out of This World” & Card School 1995 Backfire Poker: This is a variation of Jim Steinmeyer's 'The Ten Boys Poker Deal' which appeared in the December issue of Magic. There is some added entertainment value, and a twist at the end.

Earick, Ernest. By Forces Unseen : The Innovative Card Magic of Ernest Earick 1993 by Stephen Minch, p. 141 Double ***ed uses the idea behind Paul Curry’s Cider but involving a larger number of cards.

Ellis, Tim: The Tim Card Poker Deal. A poker-style effect where the magician plays three hands of poker against a spectator and always loses the first two hands but wins the last. The spectator seemingly makes the choices. The effect is based on the “Jonah” concept however ends up with a certain card and wins or loses. The trick comes with ten red Bicycle cards, one of which is gimmicked for the effect.

Farmer, Bob: Magic [the magazine] 1994 issues 1, 2 and 5: Flim-Flam critiques many variants of the 10 Card Poker Deal.

Frame, Tom: Scary Hotels lecture notes: Well Appointed Stud & The Trap Door November 1996 issue: Well Appointed Stud & April 2001 issue of The Linking Ring third One-Man Parade: Well Appointed Stud

Fulves, Karl. Self-working Card Tricks 1976 p. 26 Automatic Poker allows to make a prediction and to get a winning hand whatever cards the spectator chooses.

Gardner, Martin: Let’s See the Deck 1942 This is the first time the effect gets in print more as a puzzle than a trick. Gardner-Marlo Poker Routine with Ed Marlo’s idea to mark the Jonah card for shuffling freedom in the presentation & The Phoenix # 170 February 11th 1949; p 186 Ten Card Deal P.S. Martin Gardner suggests, instead of dealing, to leave a choice of five cards to the spectator in offering the ten cards fanned & Martin Gardner Presents 1993 p 186 same suggestion as in The Phoenix # 170 February 11th 1949 page 681 Ten Card Deal P.S.

Glover, Brian: Royal Flush Guaranteed. The routine is a variant of Stephen Tucker routine guaranteeing a Royal Flush. The stack is very slightly different and the end result is the same but there is no need for a slip cut half way through.

Goldstein, Phil. Apocalypse, Vol. 7, # 2, February 1984, p. 886 Pretense is a prediction variant. A spectator shuffles 10 cards and lines them up horizontally on to the table. The mentalist takes out a prediction from an envelope stating « I shall take the cards in position 1, 2, 5, 7 and 8th position and this will give me the winning hand. » which naturally happens.

Griffith Tony. Griff on Cards 1964 p. 21 A Demonstration on How to Win at Poker combines the Lewis Ganson principle with the Jonah card.

Ganson Lewis. The Gen, vol. 5, no 7 November 1949, p. 203: Gambler’s Luck. Lewis Ganson indicates that his effect combines two principles published by Paul Clive and by Walter Gibson.

Gibson Walter B. Professional Magic for Amateurs 1947The Honest Gambler.

Guinn, Scott: Magic to Stand By Lecture Notes 2002. The World's Worst Card Player offers a very smart presentation where the performer always loose despite the spectator’s attempt to help him. The Jonah card’s back is very simply but invisibly dotted. Scott, in a very smart way, regains his bets for the climax but still sustaining the fact that when he gets the cards he still cannot win on the money.& http://www.scottfguinn.com/cardmagic.asp The World's WORST Card Player.

Hallas Paul. Small but Deadly 2005 p. 26 offers considerations on the Jonah card principle by Paul who is one of the best world’s specialist of small packet tricks.

Hamman, Brother John: Kabbala , Vol. 3, # 1. 1976 p. 11 Magician vs. Gambler. After a few winning phases the routine allows to change hands which become better and better during this confrontation between a gambler and a magician.

Hartman, J. K.: Onyx [Ken Simmons' magazine] 1999 Mexicali Ruse. A follow up to David Solomon’s Mexican Poker & Card Dupery 2007 p. 181 Mexicali Ruse revised and modified

Horwitz, Basil: Mental Magick of Basil Horwitz Vol. 2 Poker Deal

Jay, Ricky. 1985 Non marketed TV Show 10 Card Poker Deal. The classic multi phases effect but with an outstanding presentation.

Jamison, R.M. Genii, vol. 23, # 12 August 1959. p. 432 A Poker Jolt, using the marking principle, suggests to have the cards dealt by the spectator and to indicate thanks to mental brainwave, which hand is the winner. R. M. Jamison was a regular contributor to The Sphinx where he offered a very nice C&Bs routine including the use of the Shuttle Pass before the name was coined by David Roth.

Jermay, Luke: 10 Card Poker Deal first round is won by the magician chosing first; second round follows the same principle but after a slop shuffle (spectator indicates whether the performer should take a face up or face down card); does the same and when the spectator gets the Jonah card, the other cards are turned face up and the spectator chooses where the cards are going to as the performer bets his sun glasses and then his watch.

Judah, Stewart: Pallbearers critique, folio 10, Winter special. 1975 p 855 : Draw Poker Demonstration this is not exactly the Jonah card principle but it’s pretty close and allows winning three times in a row.

Kawamoto, Wayne: Easy Magic Tricks: 10 Card Poker is a three phases where twice the performer deals and then, for the third phase, checking the cards face up, notes the position of the Jonah card before secretly deciding whether the performer or the spectator will deal.

King, Bob: http://www.bobkingmagic.com/ Power Poker involves four spectators and a good idea for increasing the money at stake in each phase. There is also a very devious idea for the last phase, using an instruction sheet in an envelope which allows the spectator to handle the cards totally the way he wants and yet for the Jonah card to end up with him no matter what.

Lorayne, Harry: Deck-Sterity; 1967 p 67: Ten Card Poker Deal & The Classic Collection Vol 1 p 300: Ten Card Poker Deal & Lorayne on cards, tome 1 1979 French translation p. 50: La Donne des dix cartes & "Best Ever" collection DVD 2 Ten Card Poker Deal

Lovell, Simon: Billion Dollar Bunko © 2003 L & L Publishing; 1st Edition; p 240 Ten Card Poker

Marlo, Edward : The Phoenix # 170 © Feb 11th 1949, page 681 Ten Card Deal: Marlo suggests marking the Jonah card to allow the spectator to shuffle and then according to the position of the Jonah card, to deal or allow the spectator to deal

Maxwell, Michael: Incredible Self-Working Card Tricks Vol 5 DVD series offers the “10-Hand Poker Deal”

Mendoza, John. John : Verse Two 1980 p. 61: The Ten Card Poker Killer, is a four phases routine with a finale which justifies the word “killer” climax using the Louisiana Switch (an actual cheat’s move both very simple and very deceptive).

Murray, John. The Phoenix # 180 du 24 janvier 1949; p. 719 Take Ten adapts the gambling demonstration into a mentalism effect using envelopes and the marking of the Jonah card principle suggested by Ed Marlo. & The Best in Magic p. 194 Take Ten & French translation in Les Merveilles de la prestidigitation moderne p. 204 Prenez dix.

Neale, Robert. Tricks of the Imagination. 1991, p. 125: The Idiot Poker Plot, where the performer is only the mediator in a Poker game where two spectator play against one another.

Ortiz, Darwin: Darwin Ortiz at the Card Table. 1988 p. 29 Mexican Poker is a five phases Routine. Darwin marks the Jonah card with a « wave » (a crimp variant). & At The Card Table DVD 3: Mexican Poker. As usual with Darwin, the classic effect is fine tuned with a lot of little subtleties and doesn’t follow a repetitive pattern.

Ouellet, Gary: Greater Magic Video Library: Magic from Canada Vol 2: Cincinnati Kid. The routine includes a Stud Poker phase and a very entertaining management of the bets.

Porstmann, Mike: The Big Edge (lecture notes). 10-Card Poker. Mike is one of the gambling and cheating-at-gambling authorities in Germany. His 10 card poker deal for the stage has a very strong entertaining value and served as a basis to Bob King’s routine.

Riser, Harry: The Feints and Temps of Harry Riser. 1996 p. 62 Semi-automatic Gambler is a four phases without Jonah card and ending with a Royal Flush. It requires some sleight of hand abilities that is worth knowing anyways.

Scarne, John. Scarne on Card Trick 1950 by John Scarne p. 45 The Dean’s Poker Deal is presented as having been created by « The Dean, a very colorful gambling man from New Jersey »…!?! John Scarne proposes to set up the entire deck to achieve the effect with four different series.

Solomon, David: Onyx N° 3 April 1998 [Ken Simmons' magazine] p. 1 Mexican Poker is a variant of Alex Elmsley’s Power Poker & Magic, Vol. 8, # 12 August 1999 p. 77 Revised Mexican Poker & Arcane n° 128 October 2007, Poker Mexicain, Fred Masschelein’s French translation of the routine’s revised version published in Onyx. This solution deals away with the need to use an additional card and the initial equivoque. At th end, the sucker gets a Full when the performer has a Royal Flush. Set Up: 9P, AP, AT, 9C, AK, 9T, RP, DP, VP, 10P & The Wisdom of Solomon ©2007, Pro-Print, Highland Park IL; p 21 Revised Mexican Poker - 10-card poker deal, originally published in Magic Magazine Aug. 1999. His original "Mexican Poker" was in Onyx Magazine, Apr 1999. John Bannon has a similar(?) version in his “Dear Mr. Fantasy”.

Steinmeyer, Jim. Magic, Vol. 3, # 4 December 1993 p. 56: The Ten Boys Poker Deal, & Impuzzibilities 2002. p. 18 The Ten Boys Poker Deal. Thanks to an orginal set up, the value of the performer’s hand constantly increases when the spectateur never gets anything.

Swain, James. Genii, Vol. 69, # 5 May 2006 p. 26 Showdown Flash version of Showdown using Derek Dingle’s NoLap Switch from The complete Works of Derek Dingle p 85.

Trost, Nick. Cardman’s Secrets Easy to Perform – Hard to Detect. World’s Best Card Miracles. 1964 by H. P. Wisehart (and 1971 Micky Hades Enterprises reprint) p. 5 Great Poker Demonstration. Set up: three Aces, three kings, three queens and a Jack. The routine combines four simple and entertaining phases. & New Tops vol. 14, # 10 October 1974, p. 20 : 10 Card Poker Routine is a three phase routine. & The Card Magic of Nick Trost 1997 p. 109: 10 Card Poker Routine; p. 245 Twenty Deck Poker Deal uses more than 10 cards & Showdown

Tucker, Stephen: Red Hot Poker aims at guaranteeing to always get a Royal Flush.

Vernon, Dai. Dai Vernon’s Inner Secrets of Card Magic 1959 by Lewis Ganson p. 69 Sure Fire Showdown, Two hands of poker are dealt from a shuffled deck. Set up: three 9, three 5 and three Jacks and a Jonah card.

Vollmer, Richard: "242 Deal" is a variation of the Bannon/Solomon "Power of Poker" effect & Magic October 2006 Two for Two ou la donne des dix cartes & Arcane n° 131 July 2008 [French magazine] p. 4.

Waters, T.A. Deckalogue 1982: Decideal. & Mind, Myth and Magick 1993 p. 206: with Decideal, T.A. Waters offers a prediction effect based on Paul Curry’s Cider, where the performer can announce exactly what the spectator’s hand and his own are made of, when only he chose, two cards by two cards, which ones he would keep and which ones he would leave to the performer.& Mind, Myth and Magick 2005 French Translation by Richard Vollmer.

Wilson, R. Paul: Refried Poker

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[Invité]

Le Petit Magicien qui vend une copie d'un effet sans accord préalable ni source citée.. Oulala, c'est étonnant ! Quand est ce qu'ils vont comprendre qu'il y a une certaine morale à avoir en magie et qu'on ne peut pas reprendre des tours de personnes qui ont bossé dessus pour les revendre 30€ ? C'est vraiment désolant, honte à eux.

[Steeve ELEMA]

Lorsque je réalisais cette routine (pas comme dans cette vidéo de m..de), dès la deuxième fois, je changeai les cartes en indiquant : "J'ai l'impression que celle-ci ne vous porte pas chance, nous allons tenter avec d'autres". Le fait de changer les cartes en utilisant pourtant toujours la même astuce perturbe et camoufle le principe.

Par contre, ce que je ne comprend pas dans la vidéo est le fait qu'il mélange à fond le jeu et prend les cartes du dessus, il a quand même du bol de tomber sur trois bonnes séries dès le début je n'ai pas aimé.

[Philippe CARRERE]

La version originale n'est pas de Aldo Colombini mais de Nick Trost.

La version originale de quoi ?

Du ten card poker deal, ce n'est ni de Colombini ni de Nick Trost...

De la prédiction de la position des cartes qui donneront qui la main gagnante ? C'est bien d'Aldo Colombini (sur une idée de Max Maven)

Merci pour ton assertion.

Un classique. Rien de nouveau. Qui va toucher les droits ?

Un classique de Colombini, mais avec une nouveauté dans la présentation de la prédiction. J'avoue que cette "nouveauté" n'est pas exceptionnelle, et ne justifie pas une commercialisation sous un nom différent et sans citer les sources (j'imagine que les autorisations n'ont pas été demandées non plus)

L'impact est énorme et le fonctionnement est d'une simplicité enfantine.

Il n'y a strictement rien de nouveau, je n'en reviens pas

Par contre, ce que je ne comprend pas dans la vidéo est le fait qu'il mélange à fond le jeu et prend les cartes du dessus, il a quand même du bol de tomber sur trois bonnes séries dès le début je n'ai pas aimé.

Visiblement cette routine n'est pas si enfantine que cela... La présentation de la phase finale me semble meilleure dans la version du Petit Magicien que dans la version de Colombini, mais ca ne justifie pas l'absence de source (d'autorisation ?) ni le prix.

[Steeve ELEMA]

Attention, je ne parle d'une routine enfantine mais de son fonctionnement... C'est pas la même chose

[Yves MARTIN (HREJ)]

Merci à Tonio pour toutes ces références !

Quand je pense que le vendeur dit à la fin:

" Voilà, voilà, tout nouveau !"

[Paul PICHARD (PaulMagie)]

merci tonio, j'a certaines des sources, je vais potassé (il me semblait bien l'avoir lu qque part cette routine...)

[Jean RENARD]

je connaissait pas cette routine, mais elle est géniale. Donc, si on est intéressés par ce tour, laquelle doit on acheter pour rendre tout ça à César?

[Melvin (Jean-Claude)]

Elle est décrite en français dans un des "Lorayne on cards" avec une vraie progression des différentes phases.

Ceci dit, l'enchainement de la routine du petit magicien m'a assez plu avec un final bien amené.

Peut-être est-elle vendue avec des sources ?

Plus le prix d'un tel secret sera élevé, moins il tombera dans n'importe quelle mains donc le prix ne me gène pas.